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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:05 pm 
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Can't wait to see which teams are on that board. I'm sure it'll be entirely representative and fair and not just the same teams that get the extra money at the moment


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All of the teams will have a representative on the board. There will be 10 Liberty goons and 10 FIA goons who will vote the way they are told. There will also be QMV so that a majority of the teams will need to oppose a rule change to stop it going through.

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Isn't this fixing what everyone here has complained about since forever with teams having too much power in determining rule changes? I don't get how this is being framed as bad.

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I don't think it's a bad idea.

But it is another element that may push malcontent manufacturers closer to the edge.

I have said in the past that this is also not a bad thing in my opinion (as it would remove the biggest proponent for 'road relevance' which has lead directly to the shitshow that is the current engine regulations), but others may disagree.

I said at the start it's not a bad idea - I do have one general reservation with Liberty and Brawn in particualar in that they seem to be in a mindset of 'throw shit at the wall and see what sticks', which will drive the diehards away so quickly and won't bring in any new fans to replace them either.

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Because this being the FIA it will end up nothing like the proposal and won't actually do the thing that they think it will.

Ahh I am so massively torn about this. Yes I think the teams have too many self serving interests and are pretty much responsible for the current state of F1 (though its the ineptness of the FIA that has allowed it). But on the other hand we would have arguably even worse engines than we currently do if it weren't for Ferrari (1.4 engines anybody?) as well as these stupid arse reverse grid ideas.

So there in lies the problem, occasionally just occasionally the teams do get it right in blocking something, but the vast majority of the time they just fuck it all up. But in the end I think it should just be the governing body that does its job, like you know, actually setting the rules and governing it. But I feel that Liberty with its populist agenda will take it down the completely wrong route.



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So basically, we don't know how to be optimistic about anything in top-level motorsports anymore.

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Well, I'm optimistic for the most part. I trust Ross Brawn a lot more than the teams to know what's best for the sport. Anything that dilutes the influence of the teams is a good thing in my book - hopefully it'll mean the FIA and Liberty can take steps to level the playing field. Because that's what will ultimately make the difference in the long run


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The only way to truly level the playing field is to change the "make your own car" rule. This however is going against what F1 has been since it started.

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RtN wrote:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-renault-results/renault-shares-slump-after-carmaker-issues-sales-warning-idUSKBN1WX0O6

Hmm...where could Renault make some really big savings very quickly...?


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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/rena ... e/4586324/

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No surprise there


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I still believe FIA is doing better for this stuff than Toto, Claire and other people who just want to stomp on the others no matter what

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All very encouraging on paper but part of me thinks the teams will work their way around all the measures to end up exactly where we're at now.



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Jeeyz Ross Brawn really gets old looking also very tired.


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I still believe FIA should punish teams that choose to rape the field in detriment of entertainment

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I like the general look of the 2021 cars (The low noses especially) & the move towards ground effects... But I still fear that the regulations are getting far too restrictive. I still feel that a better direction would have been a sensible budget cap with the regulations been opened up to allow for some real creative thinking, Innovative ideas & some unique concepts & designs.

I like the technical side of F1, The development race with clever engineer's finding & exploiting loopholes & coming up with clever, creative and innovative ideas & designs. Closing things up too much just risks turning F1 into essentially a spec series with little/no room to be truly creative & that's something I really don't want to see lost.

Expanding to 25 races isn't something i'm fond of, Already sort of feel 21/22 is too many.

Also think it's disappointing that they seem to be keeping DRS on the cars. I get they say it's just a fail-safe that they won't use unless they have to, But even so it's disappointing.



Something I read that I really don't like the sound of though is that they seem to be talking about restricting the number of brake pads that drivers can use in a season with grid penalties for using more than is allowed. That just feels like a safety issue to me & really needs a rethink.


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The actual rulebooks were also published:

https://www.fia.com/2021-f1-regulations

More pics there too.

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Are there going to be any new teams

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First off, the cars probably won't end up looking like that, secondly the new engine rules are the same and are even more restrictive on use (was this because no new manufacturer stepped up?) and thirdly, the solution to a better F1 is basically an IndyCar with an airbox???

Oh and what is the point of FP3? Cars will now be locked into parc ferme conditions at the start of FP3, so no changes can be made at all during or after the session...so what is the point of it?

25 races is way way way to many in my opinion. The seasons already feel far too drawn out as it is.

I am trying to look at this as a positive (if I am still following F1 at that point) and the most positive one for me is that at least they are returning to the low nose, without it have a tiny dick hanging off the end.


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mclaren2008 wrote:
Are there going to be any new teams


There will probably be at least 2 less teams by 2021

Take your pick from Renault, Haas or Williams.

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