Gabriel wrote:
Invisibris cautions in F1!
to this post and to Markko's comments...Invisibris that just happened to be dropped thanks to the retarded driving by one of Markko's own junior talents? Well that's not invisibris at all then is it???
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| Author: | Shaddix [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula One European Grand Prix, Valencia |
Actually my first impression with that SC was that it was to help the spectacle of the race. Especially when they didn't bother to use the SC for extracting Vettels car, which was far more dangerous for the marchals. |
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| Author: | Gabriel [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula One European Grand Prix, Valencia |
Invisibris cautions in F1! not that I have anything against them. |
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| Author: | kals [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula One European Grand Prix, Valencia |
Gabriel wrote: Invisibris cautions in F1! to this post and to Markko's comments...Invisibris that just happened to be dropped thanks to the retarded driving by one of Markko's own junior talents? Well that's not invisibris at all then is it??? |
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| Author: | ellis [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula One European Grand Prix, Valencia |
Shaddix wrote: Actually my first impression with that SC was that it was to help the spectacle of the race. Especially when they didn't bother to use the SC for extracting Vettels car, which was far more dangerous for the marchals. The SC was needed for the massive amounts of debris laid down ironically by a Red Bull contracted driver, not to recover the cars. |
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| Author: | phil1993 [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula One European Grand Prix, Valencia |
Trumpeting my own horn here, but I started doing driver ratings in 2008 (badly) and stopped for some reason last year. Now that I'm trying to get more professional, I decided to bring them back http://www.f1zone.net/news/driver-ratin ... -gp/14675/ If you disagree, feel free to shout at me. |
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| Author: | kals [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula One European Grand Prix, Valencia |
Seems fairly spot on Phil, good article 
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| Author: | EAS [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula One European Grand Prix, Valencia |
Helmut Marko questioning a debris caution like this warrants a certain joke about himself. |
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| Author: | highgroove [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula One European Grand Prix, Valencia |
I thought Schumacher's 3rd place was under investigation for something or other... According to Humphrey... Or had the stewards had enough of reviewing incidents for the day? |
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| Author: | Fish88 [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula One European Grand Prix, Valencia |
highgroove wrote: I thought Schumacher's 3rd place was under investigation for something or other... According to Humphrey... Or had the stewards had enough of reviewing incidents for the day? http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100709 |
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| Author: | Juihi [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula One European Grand Prix, Valencia |
ellis wrote: Shaddix wrote: Actually my first impression with that SC was that it was to help the spectacle of the race. Especially when they didn't bother to use the SC for extracting Vettels car, which was far more dangerous for the marchals. The SC was needed for the massive amounts of debris laid down ironically by a Red Bull contracted driver, not to recover the cars. Yea  and there was a fairly large piece of magnesium wheel on the track as well which had the potential to do a lot of damage.
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| Author: | RtN [ Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula One European Grand Prix, Valencia |
Just to clear some things up, 'invisibris' refers to debris which clearly isn't there. Sometimes it is used sarcastically when some of us think that NASCAR is just throwing a boredom caution but it usually turns out that there was something there. I think Gabriel was mooting the idea of this sort of phenomenon being brought into F1. |
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| Author: | codename_47 [ Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula One European Grand Prix, Valencia |
Really surprised the Marshals were expected to clear Vettel's car under green though. If the SC had come out for that, I don't think anyone here would be bitching. |
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| Author: | Ospi [ Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula One European Grand Prix, Valencia |
I was surprised they didn't for Vettels car, it seems sometimes they do and sometimes they don't when it comes to the moving of cars on the track. I would have thought given the fact they were on a corner that it would have been called though, may have been double yellows but they were still travelling pretty quickly. Only takes a puncture or similar to have a car hurtling towards them. |
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| Author: | EAS [ Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula One European Grand Prix, Valencia |
Scotty wrote: Anyone who says invisibris cautions are bullshit/unwarranted needs to be reminded of Massa's injuries to know these are the kind of things you can't joke about and complain that the sport is being pussified. Marko himself got blind because of debris hitting him. That's why I get shocked about where is this moaning coming from. |
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| Author: | Neil [ Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula One European Grand Prix, Valencia |
codename_47 wrote: Really surprised the Marshals were expected to clear Vettel's car under green though. If the SC had come out for that, I don't think anyone here would be bitching. The marshals looked decidedly worried when recovering Vettel's car. Probably should have been a safety car, can't understand why there wasn't. |
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| Author: | cookie [ Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula One European Grand Prix, Valencia |
It's only a matter of time before a marshal gets hit, it was very dangerous to recover Vettels car there without a SC. Just a 1 lap SC phase would have been enough to clear that car safely. |
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| Author: | Juihi [ Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula One European Grand Prix, Valencia |
Yea, I wasn't too impressed when I saw the marshalls on track, you could sorta see their faces were like "wtf is going on?" |
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| Author: | Tobias [ Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula One European Grand Prix, Valencia |
it's probably the most dangerous thing left in F1: people on the track. Be it marshals or a driver getting out of his car but still on the track (I felt worried for Grosjean for instance). A freak hit could happen anytime. |
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| Author: | DinoMarko93 [ Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula One European Grand Prix, Valencia |
Problem is,in F1 we don't see a 1 lap SC phase,and we lose laps and laps for nothing sometimes,it usually takes 2,3 laps too much. |
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| Author: | phil1993 [ Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula One European Grand Prix, Valencia |
kals wrote: Seems fairly spot on Phil, good article Thanks. Seems it got a lot of views so will try it again. Will have to hurry as I'll be away from 9th > 27th July 
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