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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:23 pm 
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Apperently we werent the only bored ones with the race:

Nick Fry wrote:
I think we have all seen a race that was far from the most exciting that we have ever seen, and what we now need to do is between us have a look at it and establish what we do need to do.

"Technical changes are obviously very difficult to make, and expensive. But I think we should look at both the technical side and the sporting side, with Bernie and the FIA, and see what we can do about it.


Mark Webber wrote:
Wow! New rules, not sure huh? Why do they keep dicking with it? Followed Mercedes power for the whole race, no chance to overtake - again


Heikki Kovalainen wrote:
Seen a lot of comments about yesterdays race and how boring it was for spectators, I agree totally, we need to do something about it. Ideas?


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Echti wrote:
The race was just average if you ask me, we have seen a lot of races like this in the past. Everyone considering this as one of the worst races ever does not seem to have watched that many F1 races before.


I've been watching since 1992 and I can't remember a time when overtaking was this impossible. What interest was there in the race? A pass for the lead because one car had a problem? I honestly can't think of many races that were worse than this. I don't think we saw any overtaking in the whole of the top 10. Unless you're really generous and count the leaders coming out of the pits on fresh tyres and going past some midfielders.

Maybe it was the expectation and build up of the first race. Maybe I'm just old and bitter. Maybe it did just suck :p


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At least they seem to be realising it. I can't imagine teams agreeing to scrap double diffusers and using different brakes now that the season has started though. Roll on 2011.


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I think im going to wait a few races before slating how F1 is bad this season....


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:01 pm 
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Yeah but we might end up having a crazy Aussie GP and everyone telling how amazing F1 is after all until we go to Europe and some shitty tracks and everyone yells how boring it is again :lol:


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Glad I didn't woke up for this race and only saw it delayed on TV. And I missed like 15 laps, which reduced the pain.


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Bahrain always seemed a let down after Australia and Malaysia the track is too technical.
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Tobias wrote:
6,5. Nice to see Formula 1 back. Some good battles throughout the field.

I think 6,5 is not an option here. :lol:

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One of the worst races I've ever seen.

Big fat zero.

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I voted 1. I don't know if I'm being harsh but I'm surprised at people giving it 4, 5 and even higher. I mean, there was absolutely no chance of overtaking someone. Look at Webber. He had the pace to pass the Mercedes but just sat a second behind them all race. Couldn't do anything. Awful.

The only meaningful overtake was on a car that was down on power! Or leaders coming out of the pits on fresh tyres and going past backmarkers and midfielders who had yet to stop. So yes, the refuelling ban gave us some passing there. How awful would it have been otherwise?

If the diffusers are going to be kept until 2011 then there's no hope for this season. Bridgestone are the only tyre supplier so they have the power to come up with a compound that is good for the racing. But they don't. Melbourne might give us more action because of cars in the walls and safety cars messing up the order but I'll be amazed if we see 2 top cars overtaking each other.

:thumbsup: 0 from me. I don't remember getting so unexcited during a GP, I hate Sakhir track. :yuk:


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:36 pm 
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I'm sure, Melbourne will be better. Malaysia and Shanghai can be also good - when we have mixed conditions like last year.

About the new teams - give them a bit more time. They must still find the pace, but that's normal for new teams. Even some members of the top-teams said during the weekend, that it would be crazy, when they would be faster than the top ones.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:37 pm 
Good Racing Sunday,

Shame About Vettel, Hamilton did pretty good. Schuey was average i guess.

Not quite as exciting now refueling has been banned.

Bring on next Race! :flag:


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What I'm liking about stuff like Whitmarsh speaking out is suddenly those in the sport are saying: "F1 has dull race=big news!"

So they've finally realised that something needs to be done.

However what I hope doesn't happen is they force a knee jerk reaction down our throats (Mandatory pit stops, etc) and take a longer period to work out exactly what is wrong and how to go about fixing it! (Closing any aero loopholes to make sure Double Diffusers of any kind cannot be used in 2011, bringing back KERS, getting rid of the soft/hard tyre rule or if Bridgestone wants to keep it, pursuading them to give a bigger gap between the compounds....etc long term stuff)

In their haste to make things better they could fail to think things through and end up making things even worse...


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I agree about Karun Chandhok. I was not so happy to see a pay driver to drive in F1 but he wasn't Yuji Ide's like. So give him time and I will be able to judge after 3 or 4 GP's

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You gotta expect it when you're running at a pace that would barely manage quick in the GP2 series. The blame lies squarely at his team. If the FIA are smart enough, they won't let them race at Albert Park. They'll run 3 laps in all of Friday and Saturday and I would put my house on it that he would crash out, which would just endanger other drivers.

I see that you still have some clever judgments... :roll:

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I *REALLY* don't see the issue here. Someone crashed in there first GP. Big fucking deal? Schumacher didn't even make it off the grid without blowing the car apart in his first GP, and he had more running than Chandhok did.

But it was obviously not Schumi's fault ! He did a SUPERB job for his first GP at Spa without private testings...


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Tony03 wrote:
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I *REALLY* don't see the issue here. Someone crashed in there first GP. Big fucking deal? Schumacher didn't even make it off the grid without blowing the car apart in his first GP, and he had more running than Chandhok did.

But it was obviously not Schumi's fault ! He did a SUPERB job for his first GP at Spa without private testings...


Er, it was Schumacher's fault, at least in part. Manual clutch back then = driver operated.

Karun will be fine. 4 hours of running in FP at Melbourne will mean that he should improve on his good start.

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You gotta realise that with all the wranglings over the ownership of Campos/HRT dragging on and on, The money couldnt be released until it was all sorted out.. which delayed the build and the shakedowns...
I know that Richard has worked non stop for the last 5 weeks and will need to sleep for two days such is the effort that he and the team put in just to get them onto the grid at the weekend..
To get a car to the start line in a top team is a hurculean task.. give these guys a break for achieving it in the face of extreme difficulty and with very little time or money.

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Some of you people must understand properly about these new teams, some of you are judging them after their first races... Lotus was very impressive i thought, maybe only about 2 tenths off the virgin, but the reliability was impressive, and Heikki only finished 1 lap down which i was very surprised about. Virgin were also quite impressive with their pace, even though they hardly even got any laps in practice, and went under the 2 minute mark. But their reliability is an issue obviously. Finally HRT, their first laps in the car were on Friday, and considering both drivers at HRT are making their debuts, and not even pushing the car to the limits yet, senna was only a like 2 seconds off the virgin and lotus cars, that's almost without any setup info and not pushing the car to it's limits. When they get more milage and understanding of the HRT cars they will get alot faster and even challenge the lotus and Virgins by Barcelona.

I think some of you are judging them by short term of view. I have no doubts that all these new teams will be fighting with the likes of toro rosso and some others at the back of the mid-field group by near the end of the season, then in 2011 should be ready to be competitive with the others. Give them time!


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RtN wrote:
Tony03 wrote:
ellis wrote:
I *REALLY* don't see the issue here. Someone crashed in there first GP. Big fucking deal? Schumacher didn't even make it off the grid without blowing the car apart in his first GP, and he had more running than Chandhok did.

But it was obviously not Schumi's fault ! He did a SUPERB job for his first GP at Spa without private testings...

Er, it was Schumacher's fault, at least in part. Manual clutch back then = driver operated.

Okay I wasn't aware of this possibility ... However I think that he knew how the gearbox or clutch worked (7th fastest time at Spa ;) :p )

btw I think Karun Chandhok will be okay with a minimum of testings at Melbourne but I still think he won't match Senna. He is average but not F1 level, for the moment ... Maybe he will be surprised (as for Petrov actually)


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codename_47 wrote:
However what I hope doesn't happen is they force a knee jerk reaction down our throats (Mandatory pit stops, etc) and take a longer period to work out exactly what is wrong and how to go about fixing it! (Closing any aero loopholes to make sure Double Diffusers of any kind cannot be used in 2011, bringing back KERS, getting rid of the soft/hard tyre rule or if Bridgestone wants to keep it, pursuading them to give a bigger gap between the compounds....etc long term stuff)

In their haste to make things better they could fail to think things through and end up making things even worse...
Something that concerns me a little is that a lot of talk around the internet today has been 'Bring Back Refueling' & mant of the comments from teams/drivers seem to be going in the direction of blaming the refueling ban as well & Im hoping the don't get together & reintroduce refueling for next year despite that not been the problem.

I also hope they don't suddenly start changing things & adding the mandatory stops Etc... without giving the new rules a chance to settle down & everyone to get used to them.


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Just ask Bridgestone to have 2 compounds for each race. A super fast soft that last 1/3 of the race at most, and a hard one that can last the entire distance. No mandatory pit stops. That with getting rid of the DDD = tast.


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StefMeister wrote:
codename_47 wrote:
However what I hope doesn't happen is they force a knee jerk reaction down our throats (Mandatory pit stops, etc) and take a longer period to work out exactly what is wrong and how to go about fixing it! (Closing any aero loopholes to make sure Double Diffusers of any kind cannot be used in 2011, bringing back KERS, getting rid of the soft/hard tyre rule or if Bridgestone wants to keep it, pursuading them to give a bigger gap between the compounds....etc long term stuff)

In their haste to make things better they could fail to think things through and end up making things even worse...
Something that concerns me a little is that a lot of talk around the internet today has been 'Bring Back Refueling' & mant of the comments from teams/drivers seem to be going in the direction of blaming the refueling ban as well & Im hoping the don't get together & reintroduce refueling for next year despite that not been the problem.

I also hope they don't suddenly start changing things & adding the mandatory stops Etc... without giving the new rules a chance to settle down & everyone to get used to them.


You know the teams, they have their own interests! This way they can blame things on the refuelling ban and try to distract the FIA from looking at the aero rules....

The more they shout and scream about another mandatory pitstop the more I want to kick them in the head and snap off their double diffusers... (And the shark fins too, but I doubt that hurts the racing too much. They just look ugly as hell :p )


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chancock for crashing his car and giving us the first crash in a race this year thus giving us some excitment in a boring race,,and it won't be his last


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