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what do you guys think about how this was managed during TV direction?

I can understand there were no pictures showing. But to show nothing, no information at all I thought was not good either.

at least a small message of what had happened should have been enough. Our commentators (stationary here in Belgium) had to guess what happened and didn't had a clue and were just telling what the messages at twitter were saying. And these messages were very confusing as to what happened, or where it happened. It went from marshals being hit by Sutil to Bianchi crashing at some other point on the track...

Did other channels realise what had happened? I got the impression that this was mainly a BBC screwup. Surely the driver tracker would have shown Bianchi as stopped in that area? The on-screen timing certainly showed him as 'Out' for some time before the BBC picked up on it.

There will be TV shots. Race control has multiple cameras which aren't available to the public, as well as onboard shots, plus there might have been an onboard camera or two still active on Sutil's car.

Not showing the accident is the correct thing to do, but I agree that perhaps race control could have aided information. The BBC talked for about five minutes without realising it was Bianchi that was involved. But in the initial uncertainty, that's something which is probably not on the forefront of their minds.

gkmotorsport wrote:

I think it was partly a BBC screwup and partly because of lack of proper confirmation of what happened.

Take the image of the crane with Sutil's car under it but with the Biachi overlay. Might as well been a director screw up.

Apologies if these have been posted already, but just noticed there appear to be a lot of pictures of the aftermath at this site:

Warning: pictures show serious accident
http://nextgen-auto.com/gallery/picture ... race-1.php
(check through the other pages too; I haven't yet checked them all, but there are more on page 21 too from a cursory look. Those page numbers are subject to change I guess if they add more pictures)

Such a horrible accident, 20 years on from such a similar thing (Brundle). I'm hoping for the best.

L'Equipe, according to a tweet from Canal+ commentator: Bianchi's parents arrived at the hospital.

Hopefully more news soon then.

The shot with Sutil is just haunting.

Author:	phil1993 [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:52 am ]
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There will be TV shots. Race control has multiple cameras which aren't available to the public, as well as onboard shots, plus there might have been an onboard camera or two still active on Sutil's car. Not showing the accident is the correct thing to do, but I agree that perhaps race control could have aided information. The BBC talked for about five minutes without realising it was Bianchi that was involved. But in the initial uncertainty, that's something which is probably not on the forefront of their minds.

Author:	Omega [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:54 am ]
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aerogi wrote: what do you guys think about how this was managed during TV direction? I can understand there were no pictures showing. But to show nothing, no information at all I thought was not good either. at least a small message of what had happened should have been enough. Our commentators (stationary here in Belgium) had to guess what happened and didn't had a clue and were just telling what the messages at twitter were saying. And these messages were very confusing as to what happened, or where it happened. It went from marshals being hit by Sutil to Bianchi crashing at some other point on the track... BBC guys are there and didn't have a clue either, they thought Sutil was down well after the red flag came out.

Author:	gkmotorsport [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:55 am ]
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Did other channels realise what had happened? I got the impression that this was mainly a BBC screwup. Surely the driver tracker would have shown Bianchi as stopped in that area? The on-screen timing certainly showed him as 'Out' for some time before the BBC picked up on it.

Author:	micha [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:58 am ]
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gkmotorsport wrote: Did other channels realise what had happened? I got the impression that this was mainly a BBC screwup. Surely the driver tracker would have shown Bianchi as stopped in that area? The on-screen timing certainly showed him as 'Out' for some time before the BBC picked up on it. I think it was partly a BBC screwup and partly because of lack of proper confirmation of what happened. Take the image of the crane with Sutil's car under it but with the Biachi overlay. Might as well been a director screw up.

Author:	mclaren2008 [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:09 pm ]
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phil1993 wrote: There will be TV shots. Race control has multiple cameras which aren't available to the public, as well as onboard shots, plus there might have been an onboard camera or two still active on Sutil's car. Not showing the accident is the correct thing to do, but I agree that perhaps race control could have aided information. The BBC talked for about five minutes without realising it was Bianchi that was involved. But in the initial uncertainty, that's something which is probably not on the forefront of their minds. track CCTV for sure I agree, this is not an accident I want to see in a hurry.

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Author:	Ayrton S. [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:12 pm ]
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micha wrote: gkmotorsport wrote: Did other channels realise what had happened? I got the impression that this was mainly a BBC screwup. Surely the driver tracker would have shown Bianchi as stopped in that area? The on-screen timing certainly showed him as 'Out' for some time before the BBC picked up on it. I think it was partly a BBC screwup and partly because of lack of proper confirmation of what happened. Take the image of the crane with Sutil's car under it but with the Biachi overlay. Might as well been a director screw up. Canal+ (France) took a bit of time, to understand what really happened. Maybe 5 minutes happened between the moment the commentator said "It seems Bianchi is out", and the moment it had been confirmed there is a big problem with Bianchi, at the Sutil Crash place. When he talked about Bianchi being stopped in the turn 7, while tlaking about Sutil's car being removed, I was thinking:"Wait... Turn 7 IS the Sutil positin, isn't it? Well, if the comentator didn't said so, maybe I'm wrong..."

Author:	SFM [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:18 pm ]
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I was watching BBC and once all the cars were in the pitlane after the red flag, I went to bed. Then I woke up in the morning and had to read the horrible news, also shocked that I didn't realize it during the race so I was like yes, BBC didn't say a single thing (at least until I went to bed)

Author:	tick-tock [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:21 pm ]
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Apologies if these have been posted already, but just noticed there appear to be a lot of pictures of the aftermath at this site: Warning: pictures show serious accident http://nextgen-auto.com/gallery/picture ... race-1.php (check through the other pages too; I haven't yet checked them all, but there are more on page 21 too from a cursory look. Those page numbers are subject to change I guess if they add more pictures) Such a horrible accident, 20 years on from such a similar thing (Brundle). I'm hoping for the best.

Author:	Miche_kna [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:27 pm ]
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I saw a telemetry clip from the accident and it didn´t seem that Bianchi lifted off before exiting the track at turn 7. Also, many other drivers passed the accident scene at very high speed. Why didn´t the drivers slow down entering the corner despite a double-yellow situation? Are the teams given information about caution-zones? Do they pass this information along to the drivers? All over internet I read posts blaming FIA and the organizers, but I don´t think that FIA and the organizers are the only ones to blame here. The teams and drivers also have a responsibility against track workers and opponents. Maybe we will se some new regulations after this crash. For now I am just praying for som good news about Jules condition.

Author:	mclaren2008 [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:30 pm ]
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those pics

Author:	Scorpio [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:41 pm ]
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Back to this visor - I can't find a single photo in which the visor would be closed :\|

Author:	cambridge [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:45 pm ]
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tick-tock wrote: Apologies if these have been posted already, but just noticed there appear to be a lot of pictures of the aftermath at this site: Warning: pictures show serious accident http://nextgen-auto.com/gallery/picture ... race-1.php (check through the other pages too; I haven't yet checked them all, but there are more on page 21 too from a cursory look. Those page numbers are subject to change I guess if they add more pictures) Such a horrible accident, 20 years on from such a similar thing (Brundle). I'm hoping for the best. i feel for sutil, must be horrible to be there and can't do absolutely nothing

Author:	gkmotorsport [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:46 pm ]
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Those pics seem to show a dislodged piece of cockpit padding, rather than his hand - at least that's how I see it. It's not impossible for the force of the accident to have caused his visor to pop open, especially if his helmet flexed. Not quite the same thing, but when Richard Hammond had his jet car accident, his visor somehow ended up open before he stopped.

Author:	Coldtyre [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:52 pm ]
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L'Equipe, according to a tweet from Canal+ commentator: Bianchi's parents arrived at the hospital. Hopefully more news soon then.

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Author:	CoCo [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:58 pm ]
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sutil's reaction in some of those pics tells it all

Author:	micha [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:01 pm ]
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coldtyre wrote: L'Equipe, according to a tweet from Canal+ commentator: Bianchi's parents arrived at the hospital. Hopefully more news soon then. I'm fearing they're there to say goodbye and he's only alive because he's on life support. I so hope I'm wrong.

Author:	phil1993 [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:01 pm ]
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The shot with Sutil is just haunting.

Author:	CoCo [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:03 pm ]
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phil1993 wrote: The shot with Sutil is just haunting. sutil will have nightmares for a long time after what he withnessed yesterday,this will haunt him the rest of his life

Author:	HGB [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:10 pm ]
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There are some pics of the accident from Japanese website. Spoiler: WARNING the following pics include the graphic. Spoiler:

Author:	BrainPain [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:17 pm ]
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Thanks for the pictures, gives you a better idea of what happened. Might want to put a warning in your post though, since at least one picture is fairly graphic.