the older system was better, like everything else
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| Author: | aerogi [ Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Singapore Airlines Singapore Grand Prix 2019 |
Omega wrote: Yesterday I saw three types of drivers. Those who know how to pass someone on a street circuit, those who don't know but try and fail, and those who don't even try. Sadly, those in the last group were all "battling" for the top 6 places. I was thinking the same thing yesterday. How come they can battle and overtake at the back, but in the front they didn't even try. |
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| Author: | Omega [ Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Singapore Airlines Singapore Grand Prix 2019 |
I think at the back they have to fight for each point, and at the front they are too afraid to lose points. Which made them, at least for this race, a bunch of pussies. |
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| Author: | SBan83 [ Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Singapore Airlines Singapore Grand Prix 2019 |
Few reasons I can think of: - At the front, the cars have the best aerodynamics so the dirty air is harder to deal with for the trailing car. - Usually, the drivers at the front are more talented and make less mistakes, while at the back, you have inexperienced guys and people like Grosjean, so more mistakes and more opportunites to make a move. |
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| Author: | EAS [ Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Singapore Airlines Singapore Grand Prix 2019 |
The stakes for the top 6 are much higher and a mistake that leaves you out costs much more. |
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| Author: | Karan [ Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Singapore Airlines Singapore Grand Prix 2019 |
Yeah and pretty much all the top six started on the softs which wasn't the case with the bottom runners. The top six were all worried about wearing out their shitty Pirelli tires too soon and being forced into a second stop. What kind of racing is this, it was just another procession which the fans paid good money to turn up and watch. |
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| Author: | LucasWheldon [ Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Singapore Airlines Singapore Grand Prix 2019 |
that's why we must return to award points only to the top 6 |
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| Author: | Omega [ Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Singapore Airlines Singapore Grand Prix 2019 |
LucasWheldon wrote: that's why we must return to award points only to the top 6 Why? Now at least some guys were rewarded for their hard fought race. Hamilton's results in the last 4 races are 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th. I like where this is going. |
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| Author: | LucasWheldon [ Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Singapore Airlines Singapore Grand Prix 2019 |
the older system was better, like everything else
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| Author: | Gaara [ Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Singapore Airlines Singapore Grand Prix 2019 |
Top 6 points only worked when retirements in the top teams happened more often. |
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| Author: | EAS [ Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Singapore Airlines Singapore Grand Prix 2019 |
LucasWheldon wrote: that's why we must return to award points only to the top 6 That would work only if we had the shitty reliability from the past. These days I was watching some reviews of 1994. Even Larousse scored a point by getting within the top-6 that year. But a team like that wouldn't be able to do so right now. The scores of the mid-pack would be like a casino in which the best ones would the ones lucky enough to be the best of the rest in the day the top-3 teams had some problem. |
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| Author: | codename_47 [ Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Singapore Airlines Singapore Grand Prix 2019 |
Omega wrote: Yesterday I saw three types of drivers. Those who know how to pass someone on a street circuit, those who don't know but try and fail, and those who don't even try. Sadly, those in the last group were all "battling" for the top 6 places. You had a car in front with higher horsepower being chased by a car that is legendarily shit in dirty air, at a track with one overtaking spot that is of no threat to a car with more horsepower than DRS can counteract Then there's the red bull which isn't quite on their level Leclerc was driving 4 seconds off the pace to preserve his tyres and there was still nothing the others could do about it Combine that with ONE pit strategy available to the teams, the undercut, and no-one crashing at the right time to bring out a SC that'd jumblet things up, and that's the race you've got. Also, a lot of the overtaking further back was due to tyre disparity, even though I'd never look down on it because different tyre life has brought us some of the best racing in F1 history. The leaders had the same strategy and largely the same tyre life and that was all she wrote |
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| Author: | LucasWheldon [ Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Singapore Airlines Singapore Grand Prix 2019 |
EAS wrote: That would work only if we had the shitty reliability from the past. These days I was watching some reviews of 1994. Even Larousse scored a point by getting within the top-6 that year. But a team like that wouldn't be able to do so right now. The scores of the mid-pack would be like a casino in which the best ones would the ones lucky enough to be the best of the rest in the day the top-3 teams had some problem. you're right, reliability is killing me |
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| Author: | Bleu [ Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Singapore Airlines Singapore Grand Prix 2019 |
Omega wrote: Yesterday I saw three types of drivers. Those who know how to pass someone on a street circuit, those who don't know but try and fail, and those who don't even try. Sadly, those in the last group were all "battling" for the top 6 places. Red Bull should have pitted Albon during the first SC (probably for mediums). It would have dropped him few places, but getting back to 6th should have been easy, then he would have had fresher tyres than the rest of the top group. |
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| Author: | racer612008 [ Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:14 pm ] |
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| Author: | Omega [ Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:52 pm ] |
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Bleu wrote: Omega wrote: Yesterday I saw three types of drivers. Those who know how to pass someone on a street circuit, those who don't know but try and fail, and those who don't even try. Sadly, those in the last group were all "battling" for the top 6 places. Red Bull should have pitted Albon during the first SC (probably for mediums). It would have dropped him few places, but getting back to 6th should have been easy, then he would have had fresher tyres than the rest of the top group. I think they would have done this strategy if the SC didn't happen and bring all the others back in their tail. |
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| Author: | Karan [ Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Singapore Airlines Singapore Grand Prix 2019 |
Just wondering, how much was Vettel behind Leclerc when he came in for his stop? Cause the graphic seemed to indicate Vettel's stop was slower. I mean we know the undercut was powerful here but seemed like Vettel was 3-3.5 sec behind Leclerc at the time of his stop. Unless Leclerc had a horrendous inlap and Vettel a superhuman outlap, wouldn't have expected Vettel to make up such a difference over one lap. |
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| Author: | SBan83 [ Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Singapore Airlines Singapore Grand Prix 2019 |
Karan wrote: Just wondering, how much was Vettel behind Leclerc when he came in for his stop? Cause the graphic seemed to indicate Vettel's stop was slower. I mean we know the undercut was powerful here but seemed like Vettel was 3-3.5 sec behind Leclerc at the time of his stop. Unless Leclerc had a horrendous inlap and Vettel a superhuman outlap, wouldn't have expected Vettel to make up such a difference over one lap. I think it was less...like around 1.5 seconds? |
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| Author: | codename_47 [ Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Singapore Airlines Singapore Grand Prix 2019 |
Karan wrote: Just wondering, how much was Vettel behind Leclerc when he came in for his stop? Cause the graphic seemed to indicate Vettel's stop was slower. I mean we know the undercut was powerful here but seemed like Vettel was 3-3.5 sec behind Leclerc at the time of his stop. Unless Leclerc had a horrendous inlap and Vettel a superhuman outlap, wouldn't have expected Vettel to make up such a difference over one lap. Leclerc was driving OVER FOUR SECONDS off the pace to preserve his tyres, so the front pack was pretty bunched up |
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