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Up until the late 70s it was normal to run a older car from another team. Now it's suddenly not acceptable anymore because F1 is "elite". Same goes for one car teams. Just not elite enough.

I'm still pissed off at frank Williams for voting against customer cars several years back. Yes I understand it would have hurt your team but if it was illegal from the beginning you wouldn't be in F1 in the first place!

funny that Frank started in the sport buying one Brabham and then a March

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Obviously only when it suits him off course.

He wasn't the only guy against it, most of the big teams were, it's more to do with liability, i.e. if a component breaks and kills someone, the manufacturer (Ferrari, McLaren, Merc etc.) didn't want to end up being sued as a result, and in this day and age, being sued for a component failure leading to someone's death can kill a company.

Really? I thought it was down to the revenue and prize money allocation. No additional revenue and prize was being made available from FOM so the new team(s) would be competing for a share of the existing pot. Frank Williams questioned how and why could a customer F1 team qualify for revenue and prize money when they weren't a manufacturer. Additional to that was the potential that a customer team could beat a manufacture team (i.e. Williams) and take a share of revenue away from said team. At the time Williams were in a financial black hole having lost BMW and the significant investment that came with it.

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Yes it would be difficult for the driver to do that. Unless it is a button they push you are asking them to reach up over the side of the cockpit and that movement is very hard for them to do when strapped in and the steering wheel is on.

Also where would they store the tear offs? If the visor tear offs are seen as a problem (rubbish) imagine what a full screen tear off would do.

I understand they can heat the screens, but that does nothing about the physical gunk that would accumulate on the screen. It would just be an absolute ridiculous thing for a driver to pit to have to clean the half shield on their Frankenstein open cockpit car.

To me its like comparing which one you would rather eat...a chocolate cake made of shit or a chocolate cake made of shit with sprinkles on it.

I'm just so against both of these concepts.

So, even they realised the effects of shitty tyres and DRS


Does such rule exists? I think that is not done anymore because it's not affordable for any country. Remember when somebody came up with the idea of a race in London and even the likes of Brundle were saying they are struggling to pay for Silverstone so the UK could not afford two GPs.

Also, Hockenheim and Nürburgring, Monza and Imola? Kyalami?
Prefer the Indian layout

It's ok for the Olympic Games to do a demagogical thing like that but not for a "sport/business" like racing because it's a mega expensive and exclusive kind of activity. Only a few countries are rich enough to participate on this sort of sport.

If it was that bad why supply engines? Or brakes or tyres?

No, it's what Kals said. Price money related.

No I don't understand it either, but it was one of the reasons floated against it, and of course Frank's "I don't want to be racing against a field of McLarens" - bet he wishes he was now

Speaking of Frank Williams, has he appeared this year in public? I don't think I've seen him in the pit since his absence due to pneumonia.

I think he popped up a couple of weeks ago during his birthday celebrations, but he certainly has been keeping a low profile.

Times have changed a lot I think, it is not as simple as it used to be.

running old cars is not an option I think in current F1? We would have cars that are 4-5 seconds slower, Pirelli would need to make the old tyres again etc etc.

And cars used to be mechanical, now these are more like computers with 4 wheels attached. The 'seller' would probably have to put a lot of energy and input to overcome potential problems etc. You could run a F1 car/engine with just a few technically skilled engineers.

All these 'clients' used the Cosworth V8 engine, which you basically bought around the corner. I have never seen a Ferrari, Renault, Alfa Romeo in the 70s supplying a customer car. These days we don't have that type of engine anymore.

These days it is just much more complicated.

Just my thoughts, even though it would be great to have such teams on the grid.

Isn't there a rule that you have to declare what car you're gonna use at the start of the year

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that's why I said customer cars would run a parallel championship, like in 1987 when Turbos raced the actual championship and NA teams raced the Jim Clark Cup

about nations in F1, they should make a racing series like the Davis Cup

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Well. Stop changing the rules each year. Stability in the rules also saves costs and opens up the proper opportunity for customer cars.
And if teams just can buy the designs it's already cheaper than developing a full car on their own.

Yeah, if cars can stay "legal" for, say, 3-4 years (with minor updates for the sake of safety or revised loopholes), many teams could enter old cars and even make some development themselves. If we agree on the fact that most cars would be faster or more reliable each year, than there's nothing to worry about (for constructors). And the resources to keep developing the car would guarantee them they can stay on top.

Just let everyone who can enter with a legal car, to do so. 107% rule would do the rest.

"Old" cars can be highly competitive, with some development, as seen in recent years. Just look at the F2001B, F2002B, F2004M, MP4-17D...

Or Super Aguri, their first car was "extremely" old vintage Arrows.



Now could you even dream of getting, say, first turbo-era Mercedes to get points today? I doubt that, even if the rules had stayed the same this year than what it was. It really would be common sense to allow cars to be within the 107% rule, no matter if they're new or old. At least we might still have Marussia and HRT to fill up the grid. This year it seems that only Mercedes and Ferrari are that 3s faster than what they were last year, others are merely a 1s faster, if any. How's this any better for the sports?

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Good old Super Aguri. The team that existed solely to keep Sato on the grid.

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and for that

in 2007 they were brilliant considering they were meant to stay at the back

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Corrected

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