2018 F1 Random Discussion Thread

iks · PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:32 am

Scotty wrote:

codename_47 wrote:

When 2014 came around and the engines were quiet enough to hear tyres locking, the track pa and even the fans cheering in Melbourne quali when Danny got a result, I was pretty damn happy, only to log on and see incessant whining about the noise levels.

I was in this camp, really supporting the fact that the cars don't have to be loud for a variety of reasons, but they actually do.

What's the first thing a non supporter of F1 notices when they are at the track

Speed?
Looks of the cars?
Smell?

No it's the noise, because it hits your senses so god damn hard. It must be psychological, because since the cars have gone quiet, everyone at the GP tracks favorite non race event is the FA-18 jets flying over bursting everyone's ear drums. There is something about it that excites people.

During the lead in to this years GP my TV network had season reviews played on a loop, there is just something about the noise (pre 2014 cars) that makes the cars more appealing. Current cars on the rev limiter don't sound like they're even trying. Even when the cars had their rev limits dropped a few years back they actually sounded like they had a bit of urgency about them (maybe that's just me).

V8s are better than what they are doing now...

But V10s are infinitely better and produce a more, shall we say, satisfactory sound. I've heard it in person and it shook my insides. Best feeling ever.

De Cesaris fan · PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 12:25 pm

I used to love it when you were walking towards the track, and you could hear the cars from a mile away. It added to the excitement. I've never been too fussed about the noise once inside the circuit, as I have sensitive ears. Loud is good, but it doesn't have to be painfully loud. I don't think it makes a huge difference when watching on TV either.

Like Codename, it was the sight of the cars and the racing that attracted me to F1 (and as a 6 year old, I thought the crashes were spectacular as well). The sound was unique, but I don't think it ever had any impact in drawing me towards F1.

kals · PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 1:01 pm

People seem obsessed with noise, rather than the quality of the sound. The previous spec V8s and V10s were screams, with no distinguishable difference in sound between any of the manufacturers. The sounds from the previous engine configurations were unique and you could tell long before you saw a car which manufacturer it was. That’s what I like(d).

Gaara · PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 1:10 pm

Ferrari V12, Renault V10, Ford V8...

kals · PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 1:13 pm

Gaara wrote:

Ferrari V12, Renault V10, Ford V8...

And even then you could tell the difference between the Lamborghini and Ferrari V12s, the Judd and Ford V8s, and later in the 90s the Ferrari, Renault and Mercedes V10s.

Gaara · PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 1:19 pm

kals wrote:

Gaara wrote:

Ferrari V12, Renault V10, Ford V8...

And even then you could tell the difference between the Lamborghini and Ferrari V12s, the Judd and Ford V8s, and later in the 90s the Ferrari, Renault and Mercedes V10s.

And was it really all that more expensive compared to the formula we have now?

It's like testing, the money they saved on that they instead blew on running simulators instead.

aerogi · PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:48 pm

Gaara wrote:

kals wrote:

Gaara wrote:

Ferrari V12, Renault V10, Ford V8...

And even then you could tell the difference between the Lamborghini and Ferrari V12s, the Judd and Ford V8s, and later in the 90s the Ferrari, Renault and Mercedes V10s.

And was it really all that more expensive compared to the formula we have now?

It's like testing, the money they saved on that they instead blew on running simulators instead.

and putting millions in dollars in winglets and little flaps to the front wing

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:12 pm

aerogi wrote:

and putting millions in dollars in winglets and little flaps to the front wing

that's what Liberty must fix, not the racing format

kals · PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:39 pm

LucasWheldon wrote:

aerogi wrote:

and putting millions in dollars in winglets and little flaps to the front wing

that's what Liberty must fix, not the racing format

That’s the FIA’s responsibility, not Liberty

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:44 pm

damn I forgot it was the Concorde bureaucrats that made the cars ugly and unovertakable

RtN · PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:17 pm

I don't think many people are saying that the engines have to go back to 20,000rpm but the current regulations mean that they barely pushing 11,000 in order to save the parts. Which isn't buttering anyone's parsnips.

Aside from the actual specification, I would make one change to the engine rules - do away with this 3 of each part for the season crap and simply say that any car which has any engine component changed between qualifying and the race starts from the pitlane.

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:22 pm

If they go through with the two shorter races for the weekend they should drop this engine limitation

Gabriel · PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:12 pm

RtN wrote:

simply say that any car which has any engine component changed between qualifying and the race starts from the pitlane.

Imagine a grid like Indy '05, and the rest of the field waiting to start from the pitlane.

That'd be awesome. And hilarious.

thestig88 · PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:54 pm

Gabriel wrote:

RtN wrote:

simply say that any car which has any engine component changed between qualifying and the race starts from the pitlane.

Imagine a grid like Indy '05, and the rest of the field waiting to start from the pitlane.

That'd be awesome. And hilarious.

Indeed! Then you would have the politics of "Well I qualified higher so I should start at the front of the Pit Lane queue" and "Well our part failed AFTER yours so back you go" etc etc.

kals · PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:31 am

Gabriel wrote:

RtN wrote:

simply say that any car which has any engine component changed between qualifying and the race starts from the pitlane.

Imagine a grid like Indy '05, and the rest of the field waiting to start from the pitlane.

That'd be awesome. And hilarious.

They tried that at a MotoGP race earlier this year, Argentina. Didn't work out so well but it was funny to watch one competitor start 50 yards ahead of the rest of the field and another one riding the opposite way up the track to take his grid position.

micha · PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:13 am

Can we come up with a way that punishes the team or even engine manufacturer but not the driver for engine changes?

Just throwing some crazy ideas out here.

1: Each engine manufacturer gets a $50 million price at the end of the season. However, for every engine change over a set number (lets say 4) they lose $5 million. Engine manufacturers that go into a negative have to pay that amount as a fine.

2: Teams cannot score points in that race after an engine change. They can change 4 times without penalty. This could cost them valuable price money at the end of the season.

3: Teams get points deducted after engine change. Rest same as idea 2.

For all 3 ideas we could add that any engine change due to clear driver error (ie crash) will not count towards that and the driver must start next race at the back.

webbsy · PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:58 pm

Have the manufacturers managed to spend similar amounts of money on these engines than they did back in the day when there were no limits?

Have Renault for example found a way to spend the same amount of money on delivering say 10 engines to a team as what they did when they were delievering 50? Because from the sounds of it they have just shifted a whole lot more resources to dyno and simulator work, rather than physically producing the engines like they used to. So have they actually cut cost significantly? or just redirected the costs?

And do the FIA have a mandated limit on the number of test mules on the dyno?

Omega · PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:28 pm

I hate the idea of two short races, and I fear the idea of a race on Saturday. I doubt I'll watch it live. A long race on Sunday is justifiable to stay at home for an afternoon (even though I already record a lot to watch later in the evening). I'm not going to stay home two days in a row for a race of 30-45 minutes.

Also, 40 minutes of coverage before the race instead of 30 minutes? Who cares? Most only tune in 5 minutes before the start.

Fabs · PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:26 pm

lol I never stay at home just to watch motorsport if there are better things to do, which there often are.

So Saturday and Sunday race, bring it on. Just download that shit and fast forward.

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:00 pm

they are pushing saturday races because they're looking forward to justify high ticket prices since "you're getting more from the F1 with 2 races on one weekend ticket"

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