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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 4:42 pm 
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StefMeister wrote:
Rosberg DID break the Safety car Lap time, However won't be penalised because a Low Fuel message overridden the Time display on the wheel:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79250

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"The Race Director reported to the Stewards that Car No 16, Nico Rosberg exceeded the time delta from when the 'Safety Deployed' message was displayed until crossing the Safety Car line," a statement from the FIA said.

"The Stewards met with the drivers and the team representatives and considered the telemetry data, GPS records, timekeeping and video evidence. This evidence showed a 'low fuel' message on the drivers display had overridden the time delta information preventing the driver from being able to accurately follow the timing information.

"However the telemetry data shows that the driver from a safety point of view had reacted adequately to the yellow flags and safety car boards. In view of this the stewards intend to take no further action."


Well he won't be penalised because he did try. It was just impossible for him to tell if he'd done it right or not. It wasn't like he pulled a Jenson (of all the people to be complaining too) and just kept his foot in it.


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Gaara wrote:
Surely the team should make sure that doesn't happen?


As Sam Michaels said, the standard system which is provided by the FIA (and McLaren technologies) is hard coded. Williams cannot change that.


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ellis wrote:
Gaara wrote:
Surely the team should make sure that doesn't happen?


As Sam Michaels said, the standard system which is provided by the FIA (and McLaren technologies) is hard coded. Williams cannot change that.


So they can't change what's displayed? That's fair enough then and that's idiocy on FIA's side then.

To be fair to Button for complaining about that, he wouldn't have known that Rosberg had that problem and considering his penalty do you blame him for bringing it up?


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Gaara wrote:
ellis wrote:
Gaara wrote:
Surely the team should make sure that doesn't happen?


As Sam Michaels said, the standard system which is provided by the FIA (and McLaren technologies) is hard coded. Williams cannot change that.


So they can't change what's displayed? That's fair enough then and that's idiocy on FIA's side then.

To be fair to Button for complaining about that, he wouldn't have known that Rosberg had that problem and considering his penalty do you blame him for bringing it up?


You can change what is displayed, but not all of it. Certain messages override others. I guess the low fuel one is a higher priority than the yellow one, which is odd.


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Fuji TV weren't bad, but that's because FOM hasn't been that good this year probably. Only the directing of FOM i slightly better, but camera placement and other stuff you don't notice the difference between Fuji and FOM (only slightly fuzzy picture)

In qualy they caught most of the crashes live, in the race there was not much to miss for the director so I give it a 7


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ellis wrote:
The penalty is his own fault. He has nobody to blame but himself.

Like I don't know that. I'm simply pointing out that your whole story is based on Jenson being extremely lucky and next to that screwing up everything. He wasn't exactly the only one who got that penalty, and compared to Rubens he was infact unlucky with the way the penalties were adapted.

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He wouldn't have been able to challenge Kubica had Kov and Sutil not taken each other out. Kubica ran much longer and would have been signficantly faster. Quite simply, Kovs stupidity in taking out Sutil salvaged Buttons race. Had that not happened he could have potentially finished behind Kov, and possibly Sutil, and would certainly have been leap frogged by Kubica on a significantly faster strategy. Button played no part in that situation what so ever and lucked into it.

And I can think of a handful of stories like this where Button would have scored a better result if it wasn't for other drivers affecting his race. That's just racing, there's luck involved, but you shouldn't think all Button gets is the good kind.


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Machi wrote:
ellis wrote:
The penalty is his own fault. He has nobody to blame but himself.

Like I don't know that. I'm simply pointing out that your whole story is based on Jenson being extremely lucky and next to that screwing up everything. He wasn't exactly the only one who got that penalty, and compared to Rubens he was infact unlucky with the way the penalties were adapted.

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He wouldn't have been able to challenge Kubica had Kov and Sutil not taken each other out. Kubica ran much longer and would have been signficantly faster. Quite simply, Kovs stupidity in taking out Sutil salvaged Buttons race. Had that not happened he could have potentially finished behind Kov, and possibly Sutil, and would certainly have been leap frogged by Kubica on a significantly faster strategy. Button played no part in that situation what so ever and lucked into it.

And I can think of a handful of stories like this where Button would have scored a better result if it wasn't for other drivers affecting his race. That's just racing, there's luck involved, but you shouldn't think all Button gets is the good kind.


...at no point did I say all Button gets at the good kind. I said TODAY he was lucky. He's spent the first half of the year being awesome to the point where a bit of bad luck wouldn't have caused him to suffer - he was just that good. But today he got good luck after good luck after good luck. It is quite amazing that the championship leader did everything he could on Saturday to ruin the weekend, got given a whole bunch of lucky breaks and still only got a single point. He better hope the Brawn is better at the next races, otherwise the title is looking much much harder than it should of.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 5:25 pm 
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His strategy wasn't really optimal to get a bunch of points anyway, even if he had the speed for it. He kept pitting earlier as Rubens and some others, so that's why he only got one point + the fact that he actually was gonna beat Rosberg, but then a Torro Rosso crashed. (bad luck ;) ) I really thought he was gonna get 2 points, and if his strategy worked better around Rubens' strategy, he could have beaten him on pace aswell, seeing Rubens didn't set his car up as he liked.

I see how you think that he got a lot of luck and still only got 8th, but during a race, there's simply not that much you can do seeing as the whole field is so close in laptimes. He keeps failing in qualifying and in some weekends it totaly destroys his result, like Valencia, and in others like Singapore and Suzuka, he manages to at least close up to his teammate again to minimize the damage. The difference between this can indeed be one single action that determines most of the laps after it, that's how it goes.


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6 - I forgot that when quali is awesome, race sucks, is the so called good race proportion

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kart99 wrote:
And the three points are for the fact the tracks so damn good.


Compared to the blandest of Tilkedromes, Suzuka gets lots of praise for its interesting corners and elevation changes.

The irony is that Suzuka is the one track that would be far, far more interesting if it was completely flat.


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EB wrote:
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And the three points are for the fact the tracks so damn good.


Compared to the blandest of Tilkedromes, Suzuka gets lots of praise for its interesting corners and elevation changes.

The irony is that Suzuka is the one track that would be far, far more interesting if it was completely flat.


So they could crash into each other at the intersection?


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EB wrote:
kart99 wrote:
And the three points are for the fact the tracks so damn good.


Compared to the blandest of Tilkedromes, Suzuka gets lots of praise for its interesting corners and elevation changes.

The irony is that Suzuka is the one track that would be far, far more interesting if it was completely flat.


It's also funny that in the Lap of the gods video from the late 80's, Murray Walker says that Suzuka "may not be a great circuit". I find that amusing now that everyone thinks it's one of the best tracks in the world.


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Cheeveer wrote:
It's also funny that in the Lap of the gods video from the late 80's, Murray Walker says that Suzuka "may not be a great circuit". I find that amusing now that everyone thinks it's one of the best tracks in the world.


Well, it's all relative, isn't it? Mini Nurburgring was despised at first, because of what it was being compared to, and now it's seen as one of the better tracks.


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Mattzel89 wrote:
last year we've just been lucky to have more wet races and Safety Cars which produced better races

Monaco - rain
Silverstone - rain
Hockenheim - pretty dull until Glock crashed, then awesome
Spa - rain in final laps
Monza - rain
Singapore - SC after Piquet driving into the wall --> good and close racing afterwards
Interlagos - rain and dramatic final laps

See a pattern? Without rain or a SC period most of them would have been like the 2009 races.

The usual canditates for bad races like Istanbul, Hungary or Valencia were no different this year. The aero rules didn't make the racing worse, it's just as bad as in previous seasons.


There were more good races
Turkey - superb tactical battle between ferrari's and Hamilton
Montreal - crazy pit incident, good racing and surprise winner
Japan - good racing, controversial clashes on track and surprise winner

That were 9 races wich were above average to awesome, the rest were rather boring.

This season we had 3 awesome races and then all boring.


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Yeah. 2008 was a far far better season for racing overall I think than this year.


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3/10

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Mattzel89 wrote:
2/10

Awful race


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it was boring ,but it wasn't that bad :o


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