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James B · PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:27 am

Agreed with all of that. Enjoyed reading this on Villeneuve's career recently (although it's an old article): http://f1rejects.com/centrale/villeneuve/index.html

This is probably something to discuss in another thread but I get the feeling that the one-time champions always end up being underrated for some reason. I've just finished writing something on Jody Scheckter - his results through the 1970s were consistently excellent in mediocre cars and yet he's always cast as "the one who beat Villeneuve by being consistent rather than fast" or "the wild one who calmed down"

mclaren2008 · PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:34 am

F1Peter · PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:05 am

I think Maldonado wanted #3, I guess Ricciardo gets it cause he was ahead in points...

micha · PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:22 am

James B wrote:

Agreed with all of that. Enjoyed reading this on Villeneuve's career recently (although it's an old article): http://f1rejects.com/centrale/villeneuve/index.html

This is probably something to discuss in another thread but I get the feeling that the one-time champions always end up being underrated for some reason. I've just finished writing something on Jody Scheckter - his results through the 1970s were consistently excellent in mediocre cars and yet he's always cast as "the one who beat Villeneuve by being consistent rather than fast" or "the wild one who calmed down"

I think in Villeneuve's case the problem is that besides 96 and 97 he didn't really deliver but his words are as if he was the guy to beat all those years he ran F1 and still is the guy to beat.

To a point lots of fans like such arrogance but at one point actions speak louder than words so every time he opens his mouth people are like "yeah yeah...whatever..." because they look at his post 97 results and those don't match up to his words.

ellis · PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:02 am

Some one time champions generally ARE one time champions only because everything aligned, not because they were the best on the grid. Damon in 1996 - he just got lucky. Coulthard was better than him many times in 95, but the car cost him many wins (Spa, Argentina, Monza for example). So he gets shipped off to a slower McLaren, and in comes a rookie team mate who hasn't even grew up with the European way of motorsport. Schumacher goes off to Ferrari for an adventure, and the first season is a disaster. Damon should've walked 1996. The team mate who was giving him a hard time was gone. Schumacher was out of the picture. His new team mate is a rookie. Yet it still went down to the wire.

Had DC been in the seat in 96, I doubt Hill would've won the title. Had the Ferrari not been one of the worst Ferraris ever made, Hill would've struggled more.

Fabs · PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:33 pm

RtN wrote:

Caspar wrote:

Luca Badoer crying over his failing car, just don't see that anymore.

Going slightly off tangent here, but the good people on the F1 Rejects forum have discovered how that retirement could have felt so much worse.

http://f1rejects.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5543

amazing

James B · PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:21 pm

micha wrote:

James B wrote:

Agreed with all of that. Enjoyed reading this on Villeneuve's career recently (although it's an old article): http://f1rejects.com/centrale/villeneuve/index.html

This is probably something to discuss in another thread but I get the feeling that the one-time champions always end up being underrated for some reason. I've just finished writing something on Jody Scheckter - his results through the 1970s were consistently excellent in mediocre cars and yet he's always cast as "the one who beat Villeneuve by being consistent rather than fast" or "the wild one who calmed down"

I think in Villeneuve's case the problem is that besides 96 and 97 he didn't really deliver but his words are as if he was the guy to beat all those years he ran F1 and still is the guy to beat.

To a point lots of fans like such arrogance but at one point actions speak louder than words so every time he opens his mouth people are like "yeah yeah...whatever..." because they look at his post 97 results and those don't match up to his words.

He drove very well in the initial years of BAR, even in 1999. He was still one of the best drivers on the grid. The problem is BAR didn't make any more progress and, as the article explains, he didn't galvanise the team in the way he should have, and when Button and Richards came in and Pollock went out, suddenly he was the outsider in the team

I suppose the problem is similar to Alesi - Jacques was a very talented driver but he alienated too many people to make a long-term success of it. It was almost as if it was too easy for him initially, by jumping straight in the Williams - there are parallels to be drawn with Lewis here, though it's still relatively early in his career to see if he follows the same path

aerogi · PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:11 pm

Fabs wrote:

RtN wrote:

Caspar wrote:

Luca Badoer crying over his failing car, just don't see that anymore.

Going slightly off tangent here, but the good people on the F1 Rejects forum have discovered how that retirement could have felt so much worse.

http://f1rejects.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5543

amazing

yeah, together with Van De Poele's retirement in Imola 1991 in the last lap, this is one of my saddest memories in the +25 years of watching F1 (apart from Imola 1994 off course).

Tobias · PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:52 pm

fan's perspective

kals · PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:55 pm

Tobias wrote:

fanboy's perspective

Антон · PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:14 pm

Maldonado chooses #13

http://www.fia.com/2014-fia-f1-world-ch ... entry-list

RtN · PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:18 pm

Quote:

Max CHILTON (GBR)

MANOR GRAND PRIX RACING LTD (RUS)**

Hmm.

Tobias · PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:20 pm

Thank you for the info Anton!

danny87 · PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:28 pm

So Hulkenberg has chosen 27 for when he moves to Ferrari.

Schumifan · PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:30 pm

Even though I'm not superstitious, I can't think of a better number for Maldonado to have chosen.

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:32 pm

I guess he chose 13 to put the blame on the "lucky number" when he get up with some trouble

kals · PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:50 pm

13 isn't an unlucky number in quite a few countries.

Антон · PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:57 pm

kals wrote:

13 isn't an unlucky number in quite a few countries.

Anyway the car with such number started in only two F1 races.

StanV · PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:00 pm

Isn't 13 a lucky number in Italy?

kals · PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:01 pm

Certainly I wouldn't have chosen or run it. I know Matt Neal did for the 1993 BTCC season but after suffering an awful start to that season changed numbers, and promptly became Independent Champion.

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