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2012. ADAC 24h-Race - Nürburgring Nordschleife-19-20 May
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Author:  Gaara [ Sun May 20, 2012 3:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012. ADAC 24h-Race - Nürburgring Nordschleife-19-20 May
Surely you'd go closer to the pitwall.
Author:  StanV [ Sun May 20, 2012 3:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012. ADAC 24h-Race - Nürburgring Nordschleife-19-20 May
Gaara wrote:
Surely you'd go closer to the pitwall.


I wouldn't know, but you surely have driven a Clio in a final stint at the Nurburgring 24 Hours before?

All too easy to just go and put all blame on the Clio-driver
Author:  Schumifan [ Sun May 20, 2012 3:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012. ADAC 24h-Race - Nürburgring Nordschleife-19-20 May
StanV wrote:
Gaara wrote:
Surely you'd go closer to the pitwall.


All too easy to just go and put all blame on the Clio-driver


Well, you can't really blame anyone else. Fair enough, there's probably some genuine mitigating reasons as to why it happened, but it's still his fault.
Author:  Gaara [ Sun May 20, 2012 3:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012. ADAC 24h-Race - Nürburgring Nordschleife-19-20 May
I'm not putting all the blame on the Clio driver. Even through tiredness he should still have realised the slowing, stopping Porsche. Unless his attention was on the pitwall the whole time? In which case that's lack of due care and attention, he'd get into a lot of trouble on the road for that.

Same for the Porsche driver.
Author:  fede999 [ Sun May 20, 2012 3:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012. ADAC 24h-Race - Nürburgring Nordschleife-19-20 May
A miscalculation I wouldn't expect from team Manthey, given their experience and the stellar driver lineup. Who was in the car for the last stint?
Author:  Echti [ Sun May 20, 2012 3:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012. ADAC 24h-Race - Nürburgring Nordschleife-19-20 May
Gaara wrote:
I'm not putting all the blame on the Clio driver. Even through tiredness he should still have realised the slowing, stopping Porsche. Unless his attention was on the pitwall the whole time? In which case that's lack of due care and attention, he'd get into a lot of trouble on the road for that.


Oh please!!
Author:  American Dragon [ Sun May 20, 2012 3:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012. ADAC 24h-Race - Nürburgring Nordschleife-19-20 May
So more pics and vids, please?
Author:  StanV [ Sun May 20, 2012 3:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012. ADAC 24h-Race - Nürburgring Nordschleife-19-20 May
Schumifan wrote:
StanV wrote:
Gaara wrote:
Surely you'd go closer to the pitwall.


All too easy to just go and put all blame on the Clio-driver


Well, you can't really blame anyone else.


The Porsche driver. Parking your car on the racing line at the finish? That's something not-done.

Gaara wrote:
Even through tiredness he should still have realised the slowing, stopping Porsche. Unless his attention was on the pitwall the whole time? In which case that's lack of due care and attention, he'd get into a lot of trouble on the road for that.


Might just have seen the Porsche ahead and thought: "OK, there's a Porsche ahead who has just passed me", then looked to the pitwall or to something on his dashboard or whatever, next moment looking up the Porsche was suddenly right up his bumper.

I'm just guessing here, we won't know until the dude explains it himself.
Author:  Schumifan [ Sun May 20, 2012 3:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012. ADAC 24h-Race - Nürburgring Nordschleife-19-20 May
StanV wrote:
The Porsche driver. Parking your car on the racing line at the finish? That's something not-done.


Well yeah I guess, but it's not entirely uncommon in 24 hour races. Bourdais at Le Mans a few years ago for example (ok he wasn't right on the finish line, but he still stopped on the track and it's still the same principle). In that sense, you could say it's pretty dangerous that you had most of the field going round at half speed on the final lap while 2 guys were still racing at full speed - as we saw, that could have ended in a major accident.

I'm not saying the Clio driver was stupid and he needs beating over the head by the stewards or anything like that. I can understand why it happened. But if you were to apportion blame, the majority of it lies with the Clio driver imo.
Author:  Gaara [ Sun May 20, 2012 3:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012. ADAC 24h-Race - Nürburgring Nordschleife-19-20 May
Even if someone slows on the track, you get distracted for whatever reason and hit the back of them you are still mostly at fault.
Author:  StanV [ Sun May 20, 2012 3:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012. ADAC 24h-Race - Nürburgring Nordschleife-19-20 May
Spa has had this rule for a couple of years that you are not allowed to stop within X amount of meters from the finish at the end of the race, or you will get severe punishment. I don't really know what the rules are about that over here (and in Le Mans now, at the moment)

But of course, the Clio driver still is the one who drove into the Porsche. My comments were just made because of the "LOL WHAT WAS HE THINKING?" that appeared on Twitter and here.
Author:  Schumifan [ Sun May 20, 2012 8:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012. ADAC 24h-Race - Nürburgring Nordschleife-19-20 May
Fair enough :)

Anyway, awesome race all in all. Unpredictable throughout - it was good to see lots of different cars making their way to the front. Bit of a shame about the carnage in both the first and last hours, it's never good to see cars getting wrecked in these kinds of races. Coverage could have been better, but thanks to the great job done by the RLM guys I ended up watching all but about 5 hours. Roll on Le Mans!
Author:  Ospi [ Mon May 21, 2012 1:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012. ADAC 24h-Race - Nürburgring Nordschleife-19-20 May
Disappointed for the race experience Audi, was cheering for Yoong and Luff.
Author:  ellis [ Mon May 21, 2012 7:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012. ADAC 24h-Race - Nürburgring Nordschleife-19-20 May
Don't think this has been posted. Video of the #2 Audi crashing whilst leading.
Author:  Brendan Kaczmarek [ Mon May 21, 2012 7:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012. ADAC 24h-Race - Nürburgring Nordschleife-19-20 May
Hello friends!

Will post my thoughts on the race a bit later, but needless to say it was fucking awesome.

Anyone know what happened at around 10:30pm or 11:00pm local time between Flugplatz and Schwedenkreuz? We were at post 80 and were yellow for over two hours while they repaired the barrier... This was different than the Gemballa crash, a couple of hours later in fact.

I saw in another post that drunkenmonkey was also at the race... Should have said something mate! I also saw that you were around the Quiddelbacher Hoehe - I was the only marshal walking around in white :p ... Post 80 was between the two right handers just before Flugplatz.
Author:  Philthy82 [ Tue May 22, 2012 3:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012. ADAC 24h-Race - Nürburgring Nordschleife-19-20 May
What's the setup for marshals at a 24h race? 3 shifts?
Author:  Brendan Kaczmarek [ Tue May 22, 2012 9:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012. ADAC 24h-Race - Nürburgring Nordschleife-19-20 May
For Sector 7, where I was, it was 2 marshals per shift with 2 shifts per post... We were 6 hours on, 6 hours off for raceday. I'm sure it's the same way the rest of the way around the circuit.

Shorter circuits with fewer posts are a bit different, at Daytona we ran 3 shifts of 4 hours on, 8 hours off.
Author:  Mattzel89 [ Wed May 23, 2012 7:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012. ADAC 24h-Race - Nürburgring Nordschleife-19-20 May
Appareantly the guy who crashed with Klaus Ludwig is trying to sue Ludwig because he said it was the Seat's driver fault
Author:  Gaara [ Wed May 23, 2012 7:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012. ADAC 24h-Race - Nürburgring Nordschleife-19-20 May
What a twat.
Author:  drunkenmonkey [ Wed May 23, 2012 10:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012. ADAC 24h-Race - Nürburgring Nordschleife-19-20 May
Brendan Kaczmarek wrote:
I saw in another post that drunkenmonkey was also at the race... Should have said something mate! I also saw that you were around the Quiddelbacher Hoehe - I was the only marshal walking around in white :p ... Post 80 was between the two right handers just before Flugplatz.


@ Brendan: Me and my friends only made it up to Post 77. There we took some photos through the catch fence and the emergency exit. Then we left to Breidscheid as the Gemballa crashed between Flugplatz & Schwedenkreuz.

I just checked all my photos, but I did not recognize a white marshall :( Next time we should appoint a time and place - perhaps 24h 2013 ;) :wave:
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