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Author:  Juihi [ Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:11 am ]
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It'll certainly spice things up!

Author:  NVirkkula [ Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:56 am ]
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Juihi wrote:
wow 8O



update on the situation

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LONG BEACH, Calif. -- Most Chevrolet personnel skipped lunch in the IZOD IndyCar Series paddock April 12 as they were busy trading out all 11 V-6 engines in cars entered in the 38th Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach.

The decision was made following the tear down and inspection of the engine in the No. 27 GoDaddy.com car of Andretti Autosport that experienced an issue during a team April 9 at Infineon Raceway.

Per the IZOD IndyCar Series rulebook, each of the 11 entries will be levied a 10-grid position penalty to start the 85-lap race April 15 on the 1.968-mile, 11-turn temporary street circuit because of an unapproved engine change. Rules 15.3.1 and 15.6.1.1 outline the penalty for a change-out if the engine has not reached its minimum mileage threshold of 1,850 miles.

"We are still learning the limitations of the new engine controls calibration," said Chris Berube, Chevrolet Racing's IZOD IndyCar Series program manager. "Through our testing in Sonoma, as indicated by an engine issue, we uncovered a problem that we believe could affect all engines. So, as a result, we feel it is prudent to change all engines prior to the start of the on-track activities this weekend."

Team owner/driver Ed Carpenter was philosophical when informed of the penalty.

"It's definitely going to make things interesting," Carpenter said. "It's obviously not ideal, but we're all playing by the same rules. It's the safest choice and, even though we're starting at a disadvantage from the get-go, it's better than potentially having an issue later on. It's a learning process for all of us, and it's not a decision they made lightly."

Berube echoed that sentiment.

"We intently discussed the situation with our partners and our teams prior to determining that this was the best course of action to preserve the integrity of the racing in the IZOD IndyCar Series," he said.

Through the first two races, Chevrolet's 2.2-liter, twin-turbocharged V-6 engine has recorded two victories and two poles (one of each by Team Penske's Helio Castroneves and Will Power). Castroneves is the series championship points leader by two over Scott Dixon of Honda-powered Target Chip Ganassi Racing.

Others affected by the decision: Ryan Hunter-Reay, James Hinchcliffe and Marco Andretti of Andretti Autosport; Rubens Barrichello, Tony Kanaan and E.J. Viso of KV Racing Technology; JR Hildebrand of Panther Racing and Ryan Briscoe of Team Penske.

“I was already penalized the 10 spots before the decision to change out all Chevy engines," said James Hinchcliffe, driver of the No. 27 car. "It’s a bummer, but now at least I’m not alone. There will now be some good racing happening mid-pack. The engine mileage rule is a tremendous engineering challenge and ultimately helps improve technology for the automotive industry.

"In an era of multiple manufacturers you sometimes have to exceed limits to know where they truly are. Chevy has been an incredible partner since the new cars arrived. They have won the first two races, from pole, and I’m proud to wear the bowtie on my chest. It would be easy to complain about how harsh (the penalty) is, but I think the attitude of everyone on the Go Daddy crew is that when the going gets tough, it’s time to nut up, buckle down and push hard for the best result possible. And that’s exactly what we’re going to do.”

On April 11, the IZOD IndyCar Series announced that the No. 7 Lotus Dragon Racing car driven by three-time Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach winner would incur the same penalty for changing the Lotus engine following the Honda Indy Grand Prix of Alabama. He finished a season-high ninth.



http://www.indycar.com/News/2012/April/ ... 11-engines




Gotta wonder how they will cope on the ovals which are on the rev-limiter most of the time



Ovals might be easier for the engines, the cooling air flow is constant, there's hardly any gear changes and the revs stays on quite small area. That, of course, combined with a good A/F-ratio and I don't see a big issue there.


But imagine if the original plan to have the new car and engines for 2011 would have gone through? What a mess it would be.

Never the less, the Long Beach Grand Prix is going to be very exciting.

Author:  mclaren2008 [ Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:09 am ]
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ellis wrote:
They should cut out corners 1 to 4. Go straight down shoreline drive and do a hairpin.


And also move the final hairpin up the road a bit, make it a possible passing place.

Author:  Tobias [ Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:12 am ]
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ellis wrote:
They should cut out corners 1 to 4. Go straight down shoreline drive and do a hairpin.

is that the lay-out F1 used prior to Reggazoni's paralysing accident? (and until it left in 1983, they just put in a chicane somewhere in the middle)

Author:  Cheeveer [ Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:52 am ]
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Tobias wrote:
ellis wrote:
They should cut out corners 1 to 4. Go straight down shoreline drive and do a hairpin.

is that the lay-out F1 used prior to Reggazoni's paralysing accident? (and until it left in 1983, they just put in a chicane somewhere in the middle)


Not quite:

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They have used pretty much every layout possible on the streets they have there. I think the shortest layout is the best yet, 1992-1998.

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Or perhaps 1983:

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Author:  herdez [ Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:46 pm ]
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#22 Servia and #6 Legge also engine change, 14 cars with ten place grid penalty ;)

Author:  pending [ Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:14 pm ]
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this is getting fucking ridiculous.

Author:  herdez [ Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:23 pm ]
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1st session is weeeeeet :thumbsup:

Author:  sennadesillva [ Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:39 pm ]
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[youtubeidiot]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_68Ydm_jA2k&feature=g-all-u&context=G2965d70FAAAAAAAAAAA[/youtubeidiot]

looks like they'll be pretty racey out there

Author:  F1Peter [ Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:04 pm ]
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Good praccy sesh.

So have MSR just shut down their Indy program completely or what is happening with them? No engines or sponsors?

Author:  F1Peter [ Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:23 am ]
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And here's P2, way wetter with only the two main Ganassi cars running, and Dixon finding a puddle that led him into the wall.

[youtubeidiot]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6mshAP6oX4&context=C4bbc598ADvjVQa1PpcFMZPDMsTFWBq0CtKZntU5dL7ZUe11iz1_Y=[/youtubeidiot]

Author:  Juihi [ Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:31 am ]
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bloody hell that was a big puddle Scott went into!

Author:  Tommy Vercetti [ Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:08 am ]
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Just got back from the track. All I can say that it was totally pissing rain today.

Had a blast just walking around in the convention. Sadly, I didn't catch much of the IndyCar stuff happening.

ALMS qualy canned due to said pissing rain. Pretty sure many other race events today were canned too. We'll see how tomorrow will be.

EDIT: Was going to upload everything on Facebook but because the Facebook uploader is about as dependable as the Chicago Bears offensive line...
https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/1033 ... 0549500369

Author:  Scirocco [ Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:49 pm ]
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How long till the next practice session starts?

Author:  herdez [ Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:02 pm ]
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Scirocco wrote:
How long till the next practice session starts?


IndyLights now, and IndyCar in two and a half hour.

Author:  chimp [ Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:50 pm ]
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BTW those cars are tanks! Simona crashed pretty hard and only her rear spoiler fell off. Dixon smashed the wall with his right front and the wheel looked like it hardly had damage.

Author:  codename_47 [ Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:54 pm ]
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chimp wrote:
BTW those cars are tanks! Simona crashed pretty hard and only her rear spoiler fell off. Dixon smashed the wall with his right front and the wheel looked like it hardly had damage.


That's...not really a good thing is it?
We all know about the dissipation of energy etc...

Author:  codename_47 [ Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:46 pm ]
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3 Hours 45 mins until ALMS...is this a night race or something?

Author:  Tommy Vercetti [ Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:58 pm ]
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codename_47 wrote:
3 Hours 45 mins until ALMS...is this a night race or something?

Nah, daytime.

Author:  Gabriel [ Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:53 pm ]
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Sebastian Saavedra took pole for the Indy Lights race.

Tristan Vatuier, Esteban Guerrieri, Oliver Webb and Carlos Muñoz complete the top 5.

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