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I just copied off of Pippa Manns Tweet, which she now has deleted and put up a new tweet. :rolleyes lots:

Considering that a compound fracture is when the parts of the bone in question go in two different directions, it's not entirely impossible that one fragment pierced the skin. As there were many torn ligaments and tendons as well, it suggests that the bones would have relocated quite significantly within the flesh of the leg.

Additionally, Mike has a compression fracture of 1 of his thoracic vertebrae & is being fitted for a brace, which he will wear for 3 months.

This would have possibly been the end of indycar racing, at least as we know it. I could even imagine several countries ban oval racing or motor racing entirely.

If you think further about this possible tripple fatality... and it WAS passible... the wreck could have killed several spectators, too. At that point we would talk about an accident you could easyly mention in one sentence with le mans 55... and all its consequences.
This would have possibly been the end of indycar racing, at least as we know it. I could even imagine several countris ban oval racing or motorracing entirely.

Beezle wrote:

Please...it only would have become more popular. Just look how many retards jumped on the NASCAR bandwagon after Dale Earnhardt got killed. The TV ratings for the 2002 Daytona 500 were huge.

I think the difference is here that had Mike Conway been killed and with all due respect to Mike Conway, he's not exactly Dale Earnhardt or Ayrton Senna. It probably would hardly cause a ripple in Bromley never mind across a country.

Anyone have a g number for Conway's impact?

It's got to rival Brack, surely.

RtN wrote:

Anyone have a g number for Conway's impact?

It's got to rival Brack, surely.

I doubt it will get near the G-Load Brack went through.

A lot of the G-Load Brack went through (214g) was caused by the way the car spun round violently after it hit the fence support post.

Bracks accident was a lot more violent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVpux5JxqEk

Vassago wrote:

Simona top rookie :thumbsup:

Looks like Simona got rookie of the year for that.

Author:	James B [ Mon May 31, 2010 8:35 pm ]
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ellis wrote: I just copied off of Pippa Manns Tweet, which she now has deleted and put up a new tweet. :rolleyes lots: lol RtN wrote: Considering that a compound fracture is when the parts of the bone in question go in two different directions, it's not entirely impossible that one fragment pierced the skin. As there were many torn ligaments and tendons as well, it suggests that the bones would have relocated quite significantly within the flesh of the leg. A compound fracture of the back, though? I can understand a compound leg fracture - given that he's had surgery and that's what Eason said, I think that's what probably did happen

Author:	RtN [ Mon May 31, 2010 8:38 pm ]
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Oh, yeah, no, it was definitely a compression fracture of the back- as you say, if that was a compound fracture, he'd probably need a wheelchair right about now. I was talking about his leg. Dreyer & Reinbold Tweet: Quote: Additionally, Mike has a compression fracture of 1 of his thoracic vertebrae & is being fitted for a brace, which he will wear for 3 months.

Author:	herdez [ Mon May 31, 2010 9:04 pm ]
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it was an incredible crash. i watch the Race Control and there was no review. Mike has many many luck, hope he will recover soon and he won't lost of his speed. he is a very good driver. next question, this weekend who will drive the #24 entry? Tomas or Ana? What do you think about Junqueira, Tracy or Rahal ?

Author:	Michael R. [ Mon May 31, 2010 9:17 pm ]
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Beezle wrote: This would have possibly been the end of indycar racing, at least as we know it. I could even imagine several countries ban oval racing or motor racing entirely. The Indy 500 is too big to be put down by a few deaths. Besides, when you walk into any racetrack, you are accepting that there is a risk as a spectator that shit can fly off the cars and maybe hit you.

Author:	Paul [ Mon May 31, 2010 9:53 pm ]
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Beezle wrote: If you think further about this possible tripple fatality... and it WAS passible... the wreck could have killed several spectators, too. At that point we would talk about an accident you could easyly mention in one sentence with le mans 55... and all its consequences. This would have possibly been the end of indycar racing, at least as we know it. I could even imagine several countris ban oval racing or motorracing entirely. Please...it only would have become more popular. Just look how many retards jumped on the NASCAR bandwagon after Dale Earnhardt got killed. The TV ratings for the 2002 Daytona 500 were huge.

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Author:	Eddington mains [ Mon May 31, 2010 10:02 pm ]
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captain_assholay wrote: Beezle wrote: If you think further about this possible tripple fatality... and it WAS passible... the wreck could have killed several spectators, too. At that point we would talk about an accident you could easyly mention in one sentence with le mans 55... and all its consequences. This would have possibly been the end of indycar racing, at least as we know it. I could even imagine several countris ban oval racing or motorracing entirely. Please...it only would have become more popular. Just look how many retards jumped on the NASCAR bandwagon after Dale Earnhardt got killed. The TV ratings for the 2002 Daytona 500 were huge. You are quite right Paul, it's why the 1st incarnation of this forum was born and why so many members sought out the clips therein... A morbid fasination, a curiosity quenched... If there was a multiple fatal on Sunday the viewing figures would have been higher for the next race.. It does that to people!.. Undeniably.

Author:	James B [ Mon May 31, 2010 10:04 pm ]
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And we all know how interest in F1 boomed after Senna's death. Even Bernie's admitted that

Author:	ryan86 [ Mon May 31, 2010 10:26 pm ]
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I think the difference is here that had Mike Conway been killed and with all due respect to Mike Conway, he's not exactly Dale Earnhardt or Ayrton Senna. It probably would hardly cause a ripple in Bromley never mind across a country.

Author:	amq55 [ Mon May 31, 2010 10:29 pm ]
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ryan86 wrote: I think the difference is here that had Mike Conway been killed and with all due respect to Mike Conway, he's not exactly Dale Earnhardt or Ayrton Senna. It probably would hardly cause a ripple in Bromley never mind across a country. Dont know about that. A death in an event like Indy, with the over-sensacionalist media of nowadays and it could stir up a lot of conterversy and "BAN MOTOSPORT" like campaigns.

Author:	RtN [ Mon May 31, 2010 10:31 pm ]
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He's one of those poor bastards who wins an F3 championship and yet it's the guy who finishes third who becomes the F1 superstar.

Author:	StefMeister [ Mon May 31, 2010 11:08 pm ]
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RtN wrote: Anyone have a g number for Conway's impact? It's got to rival Brack, surely. I doubt it will get near the G-Load Brack went through. A lot of the G-Load Brack went through (214g) was caused by the way the car spun round violently after it hit the fence support post. Bracks accident was a lot more violent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVpux5JxqEk

Author:	RtN [ Mon May 31, 2010 11:18 pm ]
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I dunno, Conway's rotation was pretty violent. I guess we'll find out sooner or later. The latest BBC reports states that Conway suffered multiple fractures in his left leg, which along with everything else suggests to me anyway that it was almost obliterated and certainly explains why he had to be flown to a specialist hospital and couldn't be treated at Indy Methodist.

Author:	ellis [ Mon May 31, 2010 11:18 pm ]
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Didn't Brack hit a pole or something now? Now days the fences are designed in rather cool ways. They do come apart (so it won't provide a solid pole to hit) but they also do a good job of keeping as much of the debris as possible away from the crowd. Really the problem with the fence is they act like graters and just rip the car apart, causing a very violent stop. Had the wall been higher, Conway would have slid along it with a relatively minor impact (compared to the fence impact). Maybe large clear plastic fences, like ice hockey games are a way of stopping that? I don't know. Either way, I don't like how much damage fences cause.

Author:	Gaara [ Mon May 31, 2010 11:32 pm ]
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Which is why after Perez' accident at Homestead a couple of years ago Tony George wanted them to start research into an alternative to the fencing.

Author:	westracing01 [ Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:26 am ]
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OK, go ahead and tear me apart on what I'm about to say but here goes. First off, anyone who is sick enough to want to have seen Tony Renna's fatal crash, Conway's was pretty damn close except Conway went in more or less level with the left front and Renna hit the fence roll hoop/head first. Same angles (from what I've read) were involved. Both Renna and Conway flew from the bottom of the track, across the surface and hammered the catch fence. The rotation of the cars was different and thus, the outcomes were too. The knee jerk reaction is "Oh god we have to change this and get rid of fence and raise the wall and do this and do that" but at the end of the day, the fences held (they are heavily reinforced, notice the extra support poles between the main vertical supports) and Conway's car did not go through the fence into the stands. Some fans were injured, read the back of your ticket. Conway was injured, I hope he recovers and comes back well, but he survived. Could it have been the other way? Absolutely. But it wasn't. The cars are about as safe as your going to get them, given all the facts we have. These cars fly. If something can be done to keep them Earthbound then I say lets do it. Good luck with that since they're a flat bottom (more or less) with open wheels. Hit wheels and you're probably going over. Indianapolis has always and will always exact a heavy price for mistakes. Many fans and drivers have been killed at Indy over the years. It's part of the deal. Tighter knit fencing would inhibit the fans view, they pay the bills. I'm sure some sort of bullet proof glass could probably be made to work, but there's just something that doesn't seem right with that. One being that at a hockey rink the majority of the fans sit above the glass and their view of the ice is not impeded at all by it. At a race track, you're going to have 25 foot tall glass walls around the track. Anyone think there might be a nasty reflection off that? Anyway, Dario straight spanked the field. Had the clear best car. Congrats to him. The Penske team tripped over their dick and lost it... More to the point their mistakes gave it away. TK by far was the driver of the race. The great finish to be marred by the terrible crash. Indy is Indy. That's what you get.

Author:	Memy Selfandi [ Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:29 am ]
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I was seated in row MM in the North Vista, so Conway's accident happened directly in front of us. I was watching the jumbotron straight ahead to see if Dario would run out of fuel when I caught a car lifting into the air, hitting the fence (which was shielded from me) followed by a TON of debris, smoke, and other cars spinning. You could see the front of Conway's car spinning to a stop upside down and the sudden smell of tire smoke mixed with oil, coolant, and other assorted fluids. I haven't seen the news, but I did not see paramedics in the stands where he impacted teh catch fence. Interestingly, the area where he hit was quickly surrounded by IMS officials in yellow shirts... probably 15-20 of them. We walked down there after the stands had cleared a bit, hoping to get a picture or at least see the damage to the fence, but we were repeatedly turned away by the IMS officials. I did see a section, perhaps 40-50 ft, where the 'screening' on the lower section of the fence was missing and at least two severely damaged main metal support poles.... at least one looked 'broken' in the sense it was bent and cracked without being shorn completely away. The wildest wreck I've ever seen in person, by far. We were all thankful to see him moving ni the cockpit and giving a wave to the crowd as he was loaded on the stretcher. Also, it was by far the most brutally hot race I've ever attended. EDIT (more thoughts): I didn't see until now how his tire shot through the fence but went UNDER the grandstand! Sitting 4 rows from the top, a tire is really the only thing I would be worried about. My girlfriend got one or two decent photos of the 'back' of Conway's car as it was towed away. It consists of the engine block, transmission and attenuator. I may try to post one if she decides to upload them I'm sorry to hear that Conways leg was mangled. There was only a brief period where I was waiting to see him move... the crowd I think thought the marshalls flipping the car over so quickly was a better sign than it turned out to be.... I am thankful that more fans were not injured, though.

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Author:	jeffdale24 [ Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:12 am ]
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StefMeister wrote: RtN wrote: Anyone have a g number for Conway's impact? It's got to rival Brack, surely. I doubt it will get near the G-Load Brack went through. A lot of the G-Load Brack went through (214g) was caused by the way the car spun round violently after it hit the fence support post. Bracks accident was a lot more violent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVpux5JxqEk Bracks car spun a lot more after hitting the fence, but Conways car had a sudden stop. I like Mike Conway and I hope this doesn't pretty much end his IRL career. I don't know if D&R were going to keep him around again if results didn't boost. He didn't even get a swing at the perminant road cources yet. I find myself constantly trying to analyze this accident. I don't wish for these things but it is so amazing how many factors went into keeping approx 5 or more people alive at Indy yesturday. The most frightning is the half second final turn Conways car took which changed him from being graded cheese from the head first, to only being lucky to have a mangled leg. Regardless, I am pulling for his quick recovery, hoping D&R ?et him see 2011, and pray the Texas and all other races are as safe as can be.

Author:	Phil R. [ Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:34 am ]
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I couldn't be here to watch the race because I was gone camping, but all I gotta say is Conway is incredibly lucky to walk away from that crash with the few injuries he sustained. Really says alot about the safety standards the IRL mandates for its cars, drivers, and spectators nowadays.

Author:	electrodevo [ Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:47 am ]
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Vassago wrote: Simona top rookie Looks like Simona got rookie of the year for that.

Author:	Bleu [ Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:54 am ]
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electrodevo wrote: Vassago wrote: Simona top rookie Looks like Simona got rookie of the year for that. It's a voting - Romancini actually finished ahead of her (on the finish line not, this was similar position switch compared to one which put Andretti to 3rd)