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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:59 pm 
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http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/audi/89171 ... f1-in-2016

Maybe it's bollocks, but Auto Express are running with Audi entering F1 in 2016


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F1 is becoming like MotoGP used to be about 2-3 years ago when they had 16 bikes


you are saying the solution is to allow GP2 cars in the field?


Happened in the early days. Take a GP2 cars upgrade it to F1 spec with the old V8 engines!

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James B wrote:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/audi/89171/audi-to-join-f1-in-2016

Maybe it's bollocks, but Auto Express are running with Audi entering F1 in 2016


Interesting point that Auto Express brought up...

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Giving fuel to the Formula One leak is Audi’s hiring this month of former Ferrari Formula One team principal Stefano Domenicali. The Italian Domenicali has no experience of Le Mans-style sports cars, has no experience of touring car racing and does not even speak German. The sources are insistent that Formula One is only possible reason why Audi, which is the successor of the legendary pre-war Auto Union brand and carries its four-ringed badge, would have just hired the Italian, even under the temporary pretense of a non-racing role.



Alonso to WEC with Audi in 2015 and then back to F1 with Audi in 2016. Seems far fetched but I wouldn't rule it out given his lack of options.


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I wish manufactures would walk the other way around, chose for WEC instead of F1.


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Easy solution, probably far too obvious and riddled with flaws, customer cars. Allow teams who are new/ say bottom 2 or 3 in constructors to buy year old cars. Rules stability will help this, big teams make money easier way in. Maybe. Maybe on 2nd bottle of champagne already.


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vince wrote:
Easy solution, probably far too obvious and riddled with flaws, customer cars. Allow teams who are new/ say bottom 2 or 3 in constructors to buy year old cars. Rules stability will help this, big teams make money easier way in. Maybe. Maybe on 2nd bottle of champagne already.


Adding to this idea is creating a second tier championship within F1 akin to the Jim Clark Trophy of 1987.

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Possibly. Suppose with that there's the risk of it being a worthless trophy, but if the fia/fom realised that F1 would be pointless without "lesser" teams and actually tried to make it worth their while competing then it'll work. Ultimately a grid of just Ferrari's Red Bulls, Mercedes and McLarens/Williams would probably make them most money it'll be a major turn off for the fans.


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vince wrote:
Possibly. Suppose with that there's the risk of it being a worthless trophy, but if the fia/fom realised that F1 would be pointless without "lesser" teams and actually tried to make it worth their while competing then it'll work. Ultimately a grid of just Ferrari's Red Bulls, Mercedes and McLarens/Williams would probably make them most money it'll be a major turn off for the fans.


As was mentioned earlier, that scenario would be like MotoGP became just a few years back. Thankfully Dorna did something about it and created the CRT class.

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Here's a radical idea... Distribute the prize money more fairly so that the smaller teams are actually getting something worthwhile at the end of each year to help towards the following season. Its ridiculous that a sport that's making billions each year is giving so little to the teams that really need some of it.

How about some more. Lower the entry fee, Allow single car teams & Give the smaller teams some say over the running of things.


Its utterly pathetic that everyone involved in the running of things at the FIA, FOM/CVC & even the teams with power have done practically nothing to prevent things getting to this point despite the fact that its something thats been so obvious for quite some time. They talk about lowering costs, They talk about helping the small teams yet end up doing nothing but talk about what to do if the small teams go under.


Caterham will likely go under, Marussia may well follow them & we will probably get 'some' teams running 3rd cars & that will do nothing but benefit the biggest teams who don't need help & FOM/CVC who will have to hand out less prize money.


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it's something to think about, another class of customer teams racing for their own championship and prizes

that unless a team with more resources get more development and win all the races

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vince wrote:
Easy solution, probably far too obvious and riddled with flaws, customer cars. Allow teams who are new/ say bottom 2 or 3 in constructors to buy year old cars. Rules stability will help this, big teams make money easier way in. Maybe. Maybe on 2nd bottle of champagne already.



why limit it to the bottom 2-3? 1-year old cars will never dominate the field (barring the extreme possibility that all top teams screw up enormously with their new car but they'll revert to the old car as well then).
With stability in the rules you can even make it 2 or 3 year old cars. Which also adds another cost-cutting method because stability means teams can opt to evolve their cars instead of building from scratch each year (even the top teams did that).
If a team runs customer cars and wants to be really successful they'll build their own car eventually.

Add to that that they can have 2 different liveries and F1 will look a whole bit healthier already without complicated budgetcaps.


and in other news, Rubens still looking to get back into F1 and that allegedly costed him his job
http://thisisf1.com/2014/10/24/f1-comeb ... ry-report/


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autosport reports both Marussia and Caterham will miss the USGP.


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They should force the big spending teams to run 3 cars at Austin already or face financial penalty's (to be paid to the small teams). They put the small teams out of business by refusing any sort of budget capping. Now they should get punished for that imo.


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The collapse of Caterham (the cleaner story is absurd)
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/arti ... collapsed/

I'm surprised Marussia made it this far. They barely made it to Monza.

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This opens room for speculations.
What if 3rd cars are coming next year? Alonso could join Mercedes.


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They should force the big spending teams to run 3 cars at Austin already or face financial penalty's (to be paid to the small teams). They put the small teams out of business by refusing any sort of budget capping. Now they should get punished for that imo.


The budget cap and customer cars was the reason those three teams, along with the unsuccessful applicants had signed up to try for a place on the grid. The established teams really don't care about anyone but themselves and it's about time the FIA put their foot down over costs.

Though knowing the FIA, they'll just fuck that up :slaphead:


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The collapse of Caterham (the cleaner story is absurd)
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/arti ... collapsed/

I'm surprised Marussia made it this far. They barely made it to Monza.


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“An Italian (likely Ravetto) a kind of an owner here at Caterham recognised me as a former football player. He told me: “It’s absurd for you to clean the floors, you are a known footballer. From now on you are a director here!” And I was appointed as executive director at Caterham Sports Ltd.”


LOLWUT


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Though knowing the FIA, they'll just fuck that up :slaphead:

You're not that naive right? There's more than enough lobbying from the big teams and manufacturers so that new rules are in their favour ;)


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Bernie wanted these teams gone, he's now got what he wished for. I hope he and everyone else in F1 who helped sign the death warrants for the 'new' teams are happy with themselves. Not only have F1 robbed fans of more competition and a wider depth of individuality from multiple teams, but also robbed families of job security and well being. Well fucking done arseholes.

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