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What do you call a new team? Except of Ferrari, every team currently in F1 was once another team which was then bought by someone. Doesn't that count as a new team? (I have included McLaren because Ron Dennis bought it but kept the name).


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BrainPain wrote:
Meh, teams come and go in F1 all the time, and has always done so. The new teams have so far done nothing to impress me, so I'd guess it would be even harder to impress sponsors. No big loss for me anyways.

You have to take into consideration, that these new teams entered, when the budget cap was decided. But even before the season began, the big teams got rid of the cap and so these new teams were quite simply instantly f*cked.


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What do you call a new team? Except of Ferrari, every team currently in F1 was once another team which was then bought by someone. Doesn't that count as a new team? (I have included McLaren because Ron Dennis bought it but kept the name).



I'd say new = new entry.
The rest is all new ownership or as in Sauber's case, old ownership.


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The impression I get is that Manor have done quite well to beat Caterham considering their relative resources. Virgin never really putting much money into them and I doubt Marussia are either. Caterham, considering the promise they showed at the start, has been a complete disaster and it's mostly on Fernandes. He is such a detestable twat, trying to make out since he got into F1 that he's a "normal" guy fighting against the big corporations from the comfort of his Twitter timeline, when the truth is he's a billionaire, the Malaysian Branson. His handling of QPR shows who he really is

That's not to say this Engavest lot aren't a complete bunch of crooks and that Kolles isn't simply trying to get hold of the IP of the car and Caterham's entry for the Romanians, though. I hadn't actually realised why Forza Rossa's entry was never confirmed but now it makes sense


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rulemakers must get down from the heels and see that the sport should go cheaper, why don't they drop some techonoly in favour of race action?

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LucasWheldon wrote:
rulemakers must get down from the heels and see that the sport should go cheaper, why don't they drop some techonoly in favour of race action?


Because that would make it harder to legitimize in a time where there is more threats to motorsports very existence than ever before. If motorsport can't make itself sound rational (in front of politicians and the automotive industry) it won't do itself any good at all. WEC's revival and technology aspects and F1's new formula has done the sport a lot of goodwill, in the long term at least, IMO.

If you want "simple", "low-tech", "low-fi" racing, watch NASCAR (which is doing sooo good). Real racing should always include innovative technology.


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rulemakers must get down from the heels and see that the sport should go cheaper, why don't they drop some techonoly in favour of race action?


Because that would make it harder to legitimize in a time where there is more threats to motorsports very existence than ever before. If motorsport can't make itself sound rational (in front of politicians and the automotive industry) it won't do itself any good at all. WEC's revival and technology aspects and F1's new formula has done the sport a lot of goodwill, in the long term at least, IMO.

If you want "simple", "low-tech", "low-fi" racing, watch NASCAR (which is doing sooo good). Real racing should always include innovative technology.



You got good points in here. Motorsports needs to justify itself in this crazy modern green world now more than ever. But there's always different ways to do it. I think Indycar has found a rather good balance between genuine-green-affordable. Nascar and F1 has just picked two of the three.

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dicksplaash wrote:
LucasWheldon wrote:
rulemakers must get down from the heels and see that the sport should go cheaper, why don't they drop some techonoly in favour of race action?


Because that would make it harder to legitimize in a time where there is more threats to motorsports very existence than ever before. If motorsport can't make itself sound rational (in front of politicians and the automotive industry) it won't do itself any good at all. WEC's revival and technology aspects and F1's new formula has done the sport a lot of goodwill, in the long term at least, IMO.

If you want "simple", "low-tech", "low-fi" racing, watch NASCAR (which is doing sooo good). Real racing should always include innovative technology.



It shouldn't be low-tech but they should think hard about how they can cut costs and generate more income at the same time.
I'm repeating myself here but start with ditching the rule that both cars must run the same livery and sponsors. I'm sure, especially the smaller teams, can earn a few bucks more by saying "for only $xxxx/race more we can paint the car of your driver in your colors".

Every sponsor wants a prominent place on the car but there is only so much space. If the personal sponsor of 1 driver pays more than the other, the other sponsor might take his driver elsewhere.


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for me the reason for motorsports to exist is simple, people competing against each other to see who's the best. inovations are just shortcuts that cost money and should be used, but not the way they want to

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"innovations are just shortcuts"

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hue hue :p

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LucasWheldon wrote:
inovations are just shortcuts


Er, what?


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Without innovation, race cars would be exactly as they were over a hundred years ago... :slaphead:


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All Formula One cars should be based on The Homer

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End of discussion.

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Gaara wrote:
Without innovation, race cars would be exactly as they were over a hundred years ago... :slaphead:


which would be kinda cool tbh

that was also the era when you could justify the sport just by going "people competing against each other to see who's the best". But there's too many outside factors going on.


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but seriously now, they should control more the budgets, do something like a financial fair play rule or split equally the revenue money, try to go into a self sufficient management (hello utopia) because they way is going in the past few years they are cannibalizing themselves

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Caterham will miss US and Brazilian GP's while a buyer is sought.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/116487


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Gaara wrote:
Caterham will miss US and Brazilian GP's while a buyer is sought.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/116487


And then Abu Dhabi.

And then http://f1rejects.com/teams/caterham/profile.html

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Most likely, but it would be nice if they were bought by someone who knew what the fuck they're doing.


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RtN wrote:
Gaara wrote:
Caterham will miss US and Brazilian GP's while a buyer is sought.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/116487


And then Abu Dhabi.


And then 2015 and onward.

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